hours are as valuable as the guy's hour and their work is as valuable, he could have given passionate speeches last night and romney would have been out of the picture for a while but he the let romney almost choreograph the evening and i think it was the strength of romney and weakness of the president to let that happen. >> rose: is this a fair observation, i came to the studio live at 11:00 o'clock having seen the debate, have you watched msnbc and i said no, i haven't and they said, chris and others seem visibly angry at what they are seeing. is that a fair characterization? >> yeah, i think. so i was told afterwards i was too angry, because i guess you get frustrated because i guess it is like, you know, it is always like watching something where you feel if i was there i could make this different, this doesn't seem to be fair the way it is going and it is a sense you just think it isn't working the way it normally should, what you knowbout the facts, every night like you do, dealing with issues like medicare and social security and with great detail and knowing what the guy on each side